It's under control, we got this life, no need for God to provide any advice. We have all the answers, no reason to believe, enough with the prayers, disregard "The Apostles Creed"
Atheists will unite, no more time to regret, we will organize missions to save. Wait why haven't we done that yet?
I guess we talk a good game, we can't be distracted from the hate, who are they to tell me of love, Christians make me irate.
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Started writing poetry officially in 1991, enjoy reading Edgar Allen Poe, reading and dissecting the Holy Bible, and listening to beautiful/inspiring people. Age has no bearing on creativity. Some of the most beautiful things come from those of much lesser age and life experiences. So listen to those young people!
Don't you wish You had a life like paradise. Every time You dream just twice The sun is perfect The sand is soft Maybe you want the perfect loft.
The debate rages on, far too deep to perceive, arguing with my friend, on how she fills his need.
Okay so i just got a new puppy named Delilah. She's a gray dapple horse of a miniature size. Blue eyes shine with a curious light. But no horse she is with her tail a wag.
Don't just sit there idly And watch it pass you by Grab a hold with all your might And at least give it a try.
Forgotten and pushed to the side, my creations throw me to the wind, they feel no shame in their daily sin.
I need inspiration about things to write. I need to see a new light. No inspiration means heartbreak and tears I need to write and see new things But no inspiration is inspiring me.
When the moon is full,. The street lights dim,. A shadow will flicker,. It's him. When the cats eyes glare,. The cars flash by,. A man will be there,. In the corner of your eye.
You can't see it But... You can feel it A dark, luminous shape You eyes can't make out Lunge for it Nothing is there Was it a game. A trick of the mind.
Ahh.. Yes all those nasty atheists attacking with their words... Christians or theists of any breed, don't have a monopoly on good deeds, but they do account for the vast majority of atrocities
.. And by 'attacking' I don't mean the preferred method of theists (stoning?).. I'm talking about that malicious habit atheist have of attacking in a calm, logical debate.. They really should burn for all eternity, along with everyone else that picks or wrong god or is unlucky enough to be born somewhere which doesn't have the right one as its sponsor
Scientists don't have all the answers, we don't even know all the questions yet... But do you think we should have stopped asking question after we got the truth direct from god himself in his wonderful canon of scriptures?
The loving Christians don't offend me, they are deluded, but they don't offend me. Unfortunately they are hard to find, i guess it's hard to reconcile love with a genocidal, racist, homophobic god?
@Burrfoot Wow, two God haters on a 24 hour period. Yes, and secular humanism has done so much better. Stalin is quite the hero to look up to.
@Burrfoot Not to mention Communist China & North Korea. They are looking for people to live their. Sure you two could get a room or something.
I don't hate god, in the same way I don't hate Dracula.. I dislike religion. What did Stalin do in the name of atheism? Stalin's fascist tendencies and totalitarian regime are much more akin to religion that atheism.. Why would I see him as a hero? That's quite a bizarre thing to say.. However I can say with certainty that you look up to the multigenocidal racist homophobic and invisible god.
It is a society style you embrace. Secular humanism. Really, you are going to get in a debate saying how all religion is negative and forget the positive attributes of what you embrace? See the difference between me, you, and your other roommate, is I'm willing to acknowledge made by imperfect people, that said they were representatives of God ( when in all actuality, in the pure Biblical terms, they weren't anything like Christ). However, I recognize this as bad examples (again sin nature, you guys really aren't grasping this whole sin nature thing, especially since you anger towards God leaves clear evidence of it). To address the science issue, science and God co-exist in terms of cause and effect. The evidence of creation causes man to research what he doesn't understand. Great creation, the human brain. A humble philosopher once stated that science was man's way of trying to explain, what God already knows". Imagine that a humanist philosopher saying that. It is pretty self evident from your generalized hate of all Christians and religion in general, shows what the secular humanist/atheist mind is capable of (if not already demonstrated through history at the hands of Communism). Way to go guys. You have made your side of love and compassion clear for all to see. Also, your own theory of evolution also proves that same gender sex preference within a particular species, after years that species will cease to exist. Wow, secular reason why homosexuality is against the laws of nature.
@blindsilence Bet you I won't. He was raised a "Supposed Christian" and he encouraged members of the Nazi Party to attend church as their moral obligation of praise, to thank God for ordaining them the superior race. Dude, read your history books man. Yeah, he was quite the bad representative of Christianity. Since you were trying to go their, I figured I would let you know the real deal.
@Burrfoot Seriously, where did you think the ideals of the modern day atheist started. Secular Humanism. Communism embraces secular humanism. You guys are starting to pick and chose now. How about this, give me one example of a positive Christian influence. Since you and your roommate are so good at history, this should be easy. In return, I will give you one good example of a atheist (not a militant atheist like you both seem to be)
I'm primarily atheist and without dogma, however I would also support secular humanism. I do not need an invention of ancient men to feed me my moral standing. I prefer to use logic and ethical consideration. You continue to confuse dogma with atheism. Of the many dogmas of the world, religion remains the most powerful tool, however the same logic and free thought and evidence that has diminished most political dogma is finally starting to highlight the problems with religion. An ideology should be a matter of conscience for the individual wishing to partake.. It's not a coincidence that 'blind' is associated with faith rather than the lack thereof. I will continue to ask questions and seek truth, whereas theists have been given their unshakable truth. The gods of the gaps are getting smaller by the day.. You lost me a little midway through your comment (I think spellchecker or missing words made it confusing, its hard to comment in this single line format!).. But from what I gather you follow a perfect god as represented by imperfect men? Sounds a good starting point to build a faith upon..
@ronin67 Just some general background information for you. It probably will help. Babies when born do not have religion. There is no God to them, they are atheist. Children as they grow up are indoctrinated into a religion that as luck would have it, is the same as their parents. That is why if born in the UK you are likely to be raised as a Christian, because its the dominant faith. Now, if a child is born in Pakistan have a guess what religion that child would likely be raised in... Islam. This works for Mexico, Brazil, Saudi Arabia and pretty much everywhere else on Earth. Now imagine if a child was born in the 8th century in Sweden, have a guess which god that child likely would grow up to believe in. If you apply this to a child being born in ancient Egypt say, 6000 years ago, yip a different God (gods actually). So, lots of different people. Lots of different gods. There is nothing at all to support any of these gods exist or have ever existed. Stories in the bible are not proof. Stories in the Quran are not proof. Stories of Odin and Zeus are not proof. Have you ever wondered why we consider Norse gods as myth, Greek gods, yep, myth. Ancient Roman gods, they are myth too are they not?. We don't believe the stories told about them are true. Why is it that stories about Jehovah are different?. Please don't refer to the bible for an answer. Use your head. I am sure you can do it if you try. Can you see that I simply believe in one less god than you?. So, this evidence of creation?. Where did you find that?. Have you claimed your Nobel Prize yet, by prize I do actually mean prizes. Every single one of them actually. I don't know why you have brung up same sex intercourse to debunk evolution theory, I don't think you realise how silly that was.
@ronin67 the only law homosexuality is against is that of your god. Love between two consenting adults is never a 'sin' but thanks for highlighting my point about how religion is only loving on the surface.. I have very little 'hate' in me and it's kept for very specific people, in general I only dislike religion.. Maybe you missed it, so I'll say it again. I hate gods in the same way I hate Dracula.
@ronin67 😂 so im a militant atheist by debating god on a writing app... Whereas militant theists blow people up 👏 thank you
@Burrfoot Of course you would support secular humanism, it is the core of you belief system ( or lack there of). So you do support communism?
What is a modern day atheist? 😂 you are beginning to clutch at straws. An atheist does not believe in gods. Period.
@ronin67 me not believing in gods has no bearing on my political views. Unlike the CoE I don't think religion and politics mix well
Your challenge confuses me in it pointlessness when there's so many valid issues being raised instead.
@ronin67 yes the old do you believe in Zeus? No? Well you can understand why I don't believe in your god is overused.. That doesn't make it less valid. Confusing atheism with political dogma is also overused but also has no validity, especially coming from a religiously dogmatic standpoint.
an essential part of secular humanism is a continually adapting search for truth, primarily through science and philosophy.. That equals communist dogma? How?
@Burrfoot Ok, if you can't fathom the point, no need to further continue. Your lack of seeing anything positive about Christianity verifies my argument. Your unwillingness to at least give a fellow human being the benefit of a doubt. Wow, that sounds very similar to the bad Christian examples you keep pointing out (our way or the highway). Thank you for your secular humanistic responses. However, I do thank you for liking my post. Take care. Tell your other atheist militant friend I said "Hi".
I have never said there is nothing positive about Christianity and your blinkered yet mistaken stubbornness to hold on to that while ignoring all that has been said speaks volumes.. Neither have I expressed a desire to deny an individual the benefit of doubt. Do you get holy blinkers free with the first copy of the old testament?
@ronin67 I think the attack is not on Christianity on its own and u shouldn't take it that personal. It's the idea of creation and so on. The "rules" laid out in many religions are usually very contradicting and confusing. Some were made up to serve a political/social purpose at the time they were written. But assume for a sec that you were born free (no given religion) and you were to chose one on your own later on. U wouldn't Only take the words given as is. U will look at history and use logic. Not trying to shake ur belief really.. Just want u to consider what's written above with an open mind. All religions have flows. And atheists really are more peaceful (again history).
Once I get the good Christian example from the both of you, I will proceed. Sorry for the wait, eating dinner.
@Burrfoot Well, thank you for the honest response. I'm very tolerant of everyone's belief's, I accept you honest response that there are good examples of Christianity. So you agree, blanket hate is never the correct response? I also agree with this. My answer on a good atheist example is one of my friends.
An example of positive Christian influence?.. I've genuinely tried to think of one, but they usually come at a price and those that don't such as charity work have to be taken in context of the religion as a whole which unfortunately lessens its positivity... Christian individuals however carry out numerous acts of compassion on a daily basis. As do the vast majority of individuals.
@ronin67 your atheist friend is good and happens to be an atheist. Atheism does not condone hatred, it's only not believing in gods. Most mainstream religions however express varying levels of anti insert race/sex/difference here that does not diminish the power of the individual to ignore that aspect of religion and act with compassion.
@sarahgamal Politely said. Thank you, but it can be debated that all atheist have been peaceful through history. Tolerance has to prevail on both sides. However, Christianity's perfect example, is not able to be replicated by human's with Dom nature. It is impossible. Also, in response to the bad aspects in religion, yes but I can't ignore the good example of love and compassion of many of the good Christian examples in my life,to total dismiss the validity of the faith I follow because of bad examples. I respect your opinions , however my conviction through witnessing, causes me to disagree with the atheist view. Humans can't explain everything.
@ronin67 true but can be argued that all books were written by human too. That being said their validity around the theory of creation and a supreme super being could easily be dismissed as well
@ronin67 how can Christianity be seen as perfect when you admit there are bad examples? I find it sad when otherwise sensible and caring people can't fathom the good mankind is capable of without crediting it to a man made god.. While blaming free will rather than god for the bad. Christ may have been a good guy, and soften the old testament version of god, but he didn't deny or repel the obviously abhorrent statutes. Is it not enough that I know I'm capable of great evil and if great good? I choose a life of relative mediocrity, yet make small positive differences to other individuals on a daily basis. Cherry picking religion is where it falls flat. I'm fairly confident quite a few Christians wish there wasnt so much smiting and killing, destruction and torture in the bible, not only in gods name, but by him. This is the deity that wiped out 99.9% of all living creation in one flick of his wrist, because he didn't agree with man's choices? How does that balance with him putting a piece of himself inside the human form of Jesus to tell us we should love our neighbour.. Then allowing his human form to be crucified, but in the knowledge that this one body is a part of him and will die physically but just come back and join him in their heaven?
It's not really sacrificing his son is it? And even if it was, does that atone for the sins god perpetrated against humanity?
@sarahgamal Good point, but than any history can be taken in this context. My greatest reason for belief are the Apostolic period martyr's. I was a police officer for twenty years and from my experience, human nature is not to get blamed or punished for something they don't believe in. Also, please don't even go and compare the Apostle Paul to any of the Islamic Fundelmentalist who kill themselves and innocents for there beliefs. Point, no one is going to give up there own life peacefully, if they know there cause is a lie. I have nothing from my experience to indicate this. I have to take their choice of death for the truth as fact. Because it makes no sense to do this, if you know it was a lie. They witnessed these things that Christ Jesus did. They could not deny the truth, before there eyes. I choose this conviction, I wasn't forced and I was raised in a free society to have a choice. In fact, eight years of my life I considered many other belief systems, but it led me back to Christ. For a Christian, it is a conviction of the Holy Spirit. It can't be explained if you haven't experienced it. I thank you for your kind words ma'am. However, reading the blog by blind silence was an attack on my belief. I know you folks don't get it. I have just been given the truth and more responsibility to protect it. This by know means makes me any better then you or the other two gentleman I was debating with. Everyday God has every right to strike me down and kill me for my sin nature, but he doesn't. Why, because I have accepted my state of existence and most of all accept the truth of his grace. I accept the witness accounts of the miracles of Christ written in the Gospels. The blood of the Martyr's who gave up there own life for the spread of Christianity is all I need. It is like anything else, if you attack my brother, I will defend him he is family. Christ is my family. My choice, not forced. If any Christian forces someone to believe in Jesus, t
@ronin67 you're main reason for belief is that some people died for it? So Christian dogma has a monopoly on martyrship and noone else ever died for beliefs that others can sincerely and without violence and with sound evidence say are misguided?
God doesn't strike you down because you accept the truth of his grace? Yet on a daily basis strikes down tens of thousands of Christians including children?
@Burrfoot How can the creator be judged by the created? I don't have to justify the judges actions. Just like like in a human court, when a final decision has been determined by the judge, it goes. Yes, in human court it can be appealed and yes in the Old Testament humans respectfully asked God to show mercy and he did. Your point again? Your not getting this whole "Creator/Position of Authority to Created/required to obey the law". You break human laws, you get punished, even executed depending on the severity of the crime. You obey human laws? Or do you totally disregard laws that were created for order? You struggle with the concept of the Godhead don't you? It is not easily understood. Human's are not on equal footing with God. It is not the same as me taking the life of another human being for not doing what I asked him to do. We are equal as humans. God is greater than us. Get it? He has the right to punish the sins of humanity. You can question all you want. He does allow respectful questioning. If you are pulled over for speeding and in the process of the conversation you tell the officer to kiss your ass, punishment will be received. Again, why can't the creator punish the created? You have no say in the matter, nor do I. You getting this yet? Also, again I never said the man made religion know created by men is perfect. The Christ they serve is perfect and forgiving. You get it? Again, I respect your opinion, but your choice to not believe isn't my burden. You insult my Father, we will mingle. If you wish to take the entire creation of the universe, as all mere coincidences and write everything of to "Shit Happens" you can, but it makes no sense. About as much sense as someone saying man made objects got there on there own. Creation screams of a intelligence who planned it.
@ronin67 just for record though the first recorded suicide bombing recorded in history in the name of religion (from readings) came from Christian soldiers during the crusades to free the holy city of Jerusalem from the control of Muslim armies. In book of judges 16:30 Old Testament has a reference that suicide is ok as a mean of killing an enemy. "And Samson said let me die with the philistines! And he bowed himself with all his might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that where therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life". @Burrfoot my old English not that good but isn't this what it means?
Why should a creator be above the laws he proclaims, by what standard can you then call him perfect? Simply by not judging or ignoring the significant psychotic tendencies does not count
@ronin67 you are comparing human laws whereby human judges (whom fall under the same laws) with a god that does as he pleases and escapes judgement by the blind.. And you ask what my point is?
@ronin67 all I'm getting is the political tripe that religious fanatics use to justify the evil carried out in their gods name
@ronin67 if I was created by God this way and with all my flaws and ability to "sin" then what's the point. Doesn't that make god evil or malicious?
As for creation, (I haven't mention it so far- only you).. I don't know if any form of intelligence preexisted our creation or played a part.. What is blatantly obvious is that it no longer plays a part and had nothing to do with religion
@Burrfoot the concept of creation wad invented by Pharaohs by the way and was adopted into all religions by the way.
@sarahgamal I'm sure the wee hairy men painting pictures in their caves also had a theory of how/why they were there.. Thing is as intelligence and knowledge evolved so did man's understanding of his creation, usually resulting in previous theories being replaced.. Unfortunately modern religion has clung on desperately, they invented their gods in a period of time when they had certain limited knowledge.. Now as knowledge increases they either ignore evidence or deny it or try to morph their views to encompass it.. Or use the fact that we don't know everything as proof of an omnipresent yet absent deity.. The god of the gaps
@sarahgamal point taken. I wouldn't see how God's gift of free, allowing the created to serve him willfully, would make him evil. He is no longer in the dictator role. He has given the created a choice. The sin nature is not not there to inhibit. The point is to have the human make his or her own determination to please God and obey willfully. Not sure of your reference to suicide bombings during the crusades, please clarify ma'am. Also, he asked God to die to punish the Philitines. God granted the request and Samson perished. Again, it was granted to punish the sins of the Philistines. Samson asked God to take his life through his action in response to Samson's guilt of his shortcomings of sin leading up to his final demise. Please go and read the entire book of Judges.
@ronin67 so god isn't a dictator, we have free will to worship him without question... But if we don't we will burn in hell.. Nah that's not a dictatorship.. 'you don't have to do as I say, but if you don't I will kill you and everyone you have ever known'... 'perfect'
@sarahgamal Ma'am respectfully, don't take my word and my atheist friends views for it. Read it yourself and let your free will be the judge. He has given you that. Have a good night folks (2223 hrs., here in Japan). It's been fun. I hope you all will still respect my beliefs and read my poems.
@ronin67 free will was not the issue. My point is why did he give us the ability to do wrong then punish us for it. Has nothing to do with free will. Free will could be whether I believe in him or not. Regarding the crusades, the knights Templar blew up one of their own ships with 140 Christians on board inorder to kill 10 times as many Muslims in the name of a religious crusade. The problem with the point of Samson I think u r trying to find a justification for something that is still essentially wrong, which is no different from the extreme concepts followed by Jews extremists in the 1920s and 1930s and the current Muslim extremist nowadays who find whatever religious justification to support their extreme religious acts of terrorism. And what makes it worse is that you are saying that god would condone such an act against ANY other human being is an argument against god fairness and kindness and sounds similar to what the Muslim extremist are saying nowadays.
@ronin67 I respect and would defend you having the right to your belief, if they do not by virtue effect others without any reason.. But I do not respect the belief in and of itself. I too enjoy theological debate, but it is a diversion from there being no god. Finally, if we can not judge your god, how can you call him perfect? What that means is, we are told he is perfect and can only judge him positively.
@sarahgamal finding justification for wrongdoing is something that religion consistently attempts, and when justification is not possible, it always reverts back to 'you can't judge god who'
@ronin67 read all religions and used my "given" free will to use logic and not faith (according to dictionary faith is believing in something that has no proof). Will still read ur poems
@sarahgamal I don't know. Maybe you should ask him? Your quarrel is to with me. It is with God. Ask him. Again, we're the actions of the humans in that situation at that time justified to them (talking about your reference to the Christian Crusader's). Yes, violence is never the answer to violence. You must be getting this from the Gospels. Quite a few references to this by Christ Jesus. Go ahead and read them to verify. Well said.
@sarahgamal Again, we're the actions of these Christian crusaders in accordance with what Christ Jesus taught in the Gospels?
Sums it up: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent. Is He able, but not willing? Then He is malevolent. Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is He neither able nor willing? Then why call Him God? Epicurus (c. 341 - c. 270 BC)
@sarahgamal Well, good luck with that. Have a great life and thank you for still wanting to read my poems.
@ronin67 I am not really quarreling really with u or attacking religion. And sorry if it came across like that. Yes if u wish to put a label however, I prefer to think of myself as a "thinker"
@Burrfoot Yes, that about sums it up from a philosopher point of view. Funny, he didn't mention anything about God giving the choice and power to man to make the right choices. Also, B.C., or B.C.E? I thought that was something the intelligent aspects of humanism in action changed?
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