Domestic Violence

I think mental torture/abuse, prolonged and sustained can be just as bad as physical abuse, so if someone is suffering and lashes out, isn't that self defence?? Back an animal into a corner and all that.....survival instincts kick in.

But in law it's not that's my point the only defence could be diminished responsibility there is no other defence that's why I'm asking do you think they should be convicted at all? And should men have the same rights?

@smellyfingers

Hmm well I believe a trial should definitely be held, and I would say that they should not be considered if something like the scenario you described was definitely the case. However, how does anyone know what actually happen at all? Until we have the ability to detect lies with one hundred percent accuracy, judgement of such things really is an impossible task.

*convicted instead of considered

@Hannah1996 but there have been a number of cases aliwaliyah(?) where she was beaten for years by her husband tapered tortured in front if the children one day she snapped and set her husband on fire. And what about Ruth Ellis the last women to be hanged beaten for years suffered a miscarriage at the hands of her husband also abused by her father as a child addicted to anti depressants so she shot him

*raped sorry. In these cases the evidence was clear? Do you still feel they should be convicted?

No, with clear evidence, they certainly should not be convicted. They're only human and for men to treat their wives like this (or vice versa) is sickening and the abuser deserves what they got.

Hehe so in this instance revenge us good but do you not disagree with the death penalty? (just provoking lol)

Well I agree with the death penalty for unacceptable crimes for unacceptable means. Such as murder in cold blooded circumstances if you know what I mean? I would say that this case would be very different, I don't think any crime deserves the death penalty haha, only those which are truly evil. Like I said, I don't believe in revenge, I simply see the death penalty as removing evil, dangerous people from society.

@aleishagayle20 then the law needs to be changed, clearly. Hey, let's protest for that, lol. What about European laws, anything in them for a defence?

I think it's absolutely appalling when men aren't treated the same as women in these circumstances, men are abused by women just like women are abused by men. So I think each should be convicted with the same sentence. And if they aren't then I don't believe there is equality in the sexes.

@Hannah1996 that's exactly why it should be reintroduced but I suppose there are valid reasons for both sides.@smellyfingers and no it's actually in the eu act saying its the right to life lol so it would actually be more harmful lol and it's been done in the case of Ruth Ellis raised huge press but it still hasn't changed.

@SirMars I'm provoking you all by the way I do feel it should be equal as both sexes could be inflicted with the same disorder or illness. Do you think they should be convicted for this offence?

@SirMars oh and by the way wicked pic lol

@aleishagayle20 ah cheers haha! Yes I do, and I feel if you're willing to live with someone whose violent, even out of love, you're putting yourself as your children at risk to being hurt. I've never believed that violence comes from insanity or disorder, because if you have the brain power to do it, you have the brain power not to. It's out of choice.

@SirMars but can't a mental illness contribute? Skitzaphrenic people cannot make a choice, they can't actually distinguish between reality and fantasy? What about in these circumstances?

@smellyfingers of and I agree I think there shod be a reform on the law :-)

@aleishagayle20 I'm not biased, I believe you should love and be with whoever you like whether you have 1 personality of

@SirMars I'm sorry but I got to say: people who are abused mentally by a partner don't fully chose to live with them. They are usually brainwashed, broken, desperate (this is how the abuser(s) work), the abused then lives in fear. There is also a thing called Stockholm syndrome (I think that's the 1) where by its proven that abused sympathise with a abuser (it's a primitive self defence/survival tool, believing that if the sympathise they will "get it easy"

@aleishagayle20 the law is pretty messed up IMO. It needs to be changed but as usual it will only change when media get on it.

@aleishagayle20 or 100. But if they are capable of violence you should take that in to consideration. There was a woman who lives in my village who drowned her 3 year old boy, and didn't get convicted, she still lives there now, word is she got off on insanity, but what's stopping her doing that again? Mental illness in this situation should be treated with dignity but still with 0 tolerance. People killing people is still people killing people.

@SirMars I just think mental elements can contribute, I've net people with mental illness and believe me these people don't even know the difference, the sudden personality change from being strong independent to sudden insecure childlike. Well that's just an example tho there are other cases. And going to a mental institute is not 'easy' it's hard and can be worse then prison.

That's why I said with dignity. If we're creating laws for people with exceptions, people will abuse the exceptions. I could kill someone and say its okay I'm nuts!! But would that be right? I'm generalising her I know. My ex threatened to kill hers twice when I broke up with her, told the police I raped her, told her parents I was a pedophile and I spent a night in prison while the police deliberated I wasn't any of those. While I spent a night in prison for being accused, she got counselling. When they finally told me I could go, I didn't get a lift home, and now she has disabled parking spaces! I'm sorry but I feel mental illness' are horrible but some of them need to handled better. @aleishagayle20

@SirMars I don't think it should be used as an excuse. There are always people who will abuse the system benefit judicial etc but there has to be the routes given everyone has the right to a fair trial.

@smellyfingers I don't know enough about it, you're right, I'm just saying what I know. But if you marry a man for times your size with a temper... You have to wonder.

I don't feel like there are, because I'm male, I'm the bad guy, which is why they believed her and not me. I'm getting too into this haha! Apologies!

@Hannah1996 @smellyfingers yeah there have been press coverage because of recent cases like aliwaliyah but still no reform as is the death penalty. And my mom was mentally ill and nobody will ever know the experience of one minute there's your mom your entire world the next a screaming monster who has no idea who you are , you've suffered a horrible experience but it seems to me she really did need help and hopefully she has got it :-/ it's true there needs to be better care for the mentally ill but do you still feel its a poor excuse in situations of domestic violence? Or even murder?

@SirMars lol if I like a big man who's sweet and kind then when we're at home he turns out to be a monster does that mean in asking for it? 😂omg really?

@SirMars hey it's okay makes debate better and sorry that is a stereotype wrong as it is its there but imagine society without this legislations? Would we revert back to drilling holes in heads to release 'demons' lol